Kind of weird that SCOTUS is about to end AA and no one here cares
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Date: January 24th, 2022 10:36 AM
Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,;
I would’ve thought after a quarter century of you guys autistically fixating on less qualified blacks in your midst as the cause of all that’s wrong with the world you would be happier about this. Seems like it could have a big impact on the DEI industrial complex too if megacorps have to hire every URM from an HBCU or TTT directional state u background.I think it’s good news for my kids anyway. I’m sure admissions will still be run by SJWs and reflect their agendas, but the schools’ lawyers will now be empowered to overrule their admissions’ dumbest bullshit.
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Date: January 24th, 2022 12:09 PM
Author: .,..,.,,.,.,..,.,.,.,..,..,..,.,..,,.,.,.,.
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Date: January 24th, 2022 10:37 AM
Author: .,,..,,,,,..,.,.,.,,
Schools have found 1000 ways around it, from abolishing the SAT to "personal statements." This is total political posturing now. "Affirmative action" has been dead for 10 years.
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Date: January 24th, 2022 11:47 AM
Author: .,,..,,,,,..,.,.,.,,
lol keep dreaming goy
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Date: January 24th, 2022 10:57 AM
Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,;
I know this is a fun edgelord schtick, and that’s partly bc it contains a lot of truth, but the reality is that college admissions officers are the main gatekeepers to economic stability for the vast majority of Americans. Sure there will be the occasional 18 year old who can start a business and make it on his own. But most need the credentialing function and social connections that college provides to help bolster their efforts to find gainful employment. Yes a lot of people these days go this route, assume an unwise amount of debt, and have little to show for it in the end. But on average the worst outcomes by far happen for people who don’t finish a four year degree, and the biggest jump in income and drop in unemployment is between “some college” and college grads. Good for you if you’re rich enough that your kid doesn’t have to work. The XO flame that “just do plumbing” is a plausible alternative and HVAC techs are in are country living idyllic lives is pretty silly, though. HVAC techs get laid off and undercut by immigration, automation and corporate manuveuring to suppress wages and keep labor costs down just as much as every other blue collar job.
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Date: January 24th, 2022 10:59 AM
Author: ;;...;,;,;,;.;.;;.;...,,,..,;;.;,.;:;
??They're all Turdasian
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Date: January 24th, 2022 11:40 AM
Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,;
It’s something of a myth that Asians outperform whites on standardized tests in the US. Asians have higher incomes and attend college at higher rates than whites on average and have for many years, and while they outscore whites on average, if you subtract the bottom third of whites (aka the tiki torch are country whites) that don’t actually try or care at all and make a like for like comparison of whites and Asians at similar levels of income, parental education and in similar geographic distributions, whites outperform Asians overall though not on math specifically. I don’t think the number exists to pull Jews out of the coastal whites measurement, but controlling for income without matching geography (ie measuring more of just the wealthier are country whites and far fewer Jews), you also see a much smaller gap between whites and Asians. So overall the Scots Irish inbreds really pull down white academic performance numbers, but if we rounded up a few million New Delhi pipe rapists and rice patty dwellers and added them to the Asian test takers we’d have a more accurate comparison.
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Date: January 24th, 2022 12:06 PM
Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,;
Look at any objective very high end academic criteria that aren’t purely math/autism based, eg National Merit Semifinalists and scholars, Asians over represented, Whites well represented, barely any blacks and Latinos.https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2005/07/14/without-merit There’s a reason that the SCOTUS is 1/3 Catholics who all went to the same high school. Sure there are plenty of dumb micks in this country, but there are also high achieving Germans, Scandis, Slavs, WASPs and even the occasional dago.
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Date: January 24th, 2022 11:36 AM
Author: .,.,,...,...,..,....,...,...,...
It's a true story. As I recall, when California banned affirmative action, the percentage of white students in public universities remained about the same. There was a big drop in the number of blacks and Latinos admitted to the UC's and big increase in the number of Asians admitted. I think a similar phenomena was observed in Texas. I've been saying for years that whites are not the victims of affirmative action. Asians are.
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Date: January 24th, 2022 11:46 AM
Author: ,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,
interestingly, the number of blacks and latinos getting into the very top UCs went down but the number of them actually getting their degrees went up. because it reduced mismatch.
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Date: January 24th, 2022 12:13 PM
Author: .,..,.,,.,.,..,.,.,.,..,..,..,.,..,,.,.,.,.
Caltech is like half girls now, that ain’t happening naturally.
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Date: January 24th, 2022 11:35 AM
Author: .,..,..,.,.,:,,..::,,..,:,..,.:,.,..:.,:.::,.
I think AA should stay. Getting rid of it only benefits chinks and fuck them.
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Date: January 24th, 2022 1:20 PM
Author: Darnell
it rarely provides upward mobility for african americans. if you go to any elite school, the blacks are:60% children of african or caribbean immigrants 30% children of very wealthy blacks or half blacks 10% descendants of african slaves from poor- to middle-class families i think most people agree that if anyone deserves a leg up, it's high achieving members of the third group.
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Date: January 24th, 2022 1:34 PM
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Top Colleges Take More Blacks, but Which Ones?By Sara Rimer and Karen W. Arenson June 24, 2004 At the most recent reunion of Harvard University's black alumni, there was lots of pleased talk about the increase in the number of black students at Harvard. But the celebratory mood was broken in one forum, when some speakers brought up the thorny issue of exactly who those black students were. While about 8 percent, or about 530, of Harvard's undergraduates were black, Lani Guinier, a Harvard law professor, and Henry Louis Gates Jr., the chairman of Harvard's African and African-American studies department, pointed out that the majority of them -- perhaps as many as two-thirds -- were West Indian and African immigrants or their children, or to a lesser extent, children of biracial couples. They said that only about a third of the students were from families in which all four grandparents were born in this country, descendants of slaves. Many argue that it was students like these, disadvantaged by the legacy of Jim Crow laws, segregation and decades of racism, poverty and inferior schools, who were intended as principal beneficiaries of affirmative action in university admissions. ADVERTISEMENT Continue reading the main story What concerned the two professors, they said, was that in the high-stakes world of admissions to the most selective colleges -- and with it, entry into the country's inner circles of power, wealth and influence -- African-American students whose families have been in America for generations were being left behind. ''I just want people to be honest enough to talk about it,'' Professor Gates, the Yale-educated son of a West Virginia paper-mill worker, said recently, reiterating the questions he has been raising since the black alumni weekend last fall. ''What are the implications of this?'' Did you know you can share 10 gift articles a month, even with nonsubscribers? Share this article. Both Professor Gates and Professor Guinier emphasize that this is not about excluding immigrants, whom sociologists describe as a highly motivated, self-selected group. Blacks, who make up 13 percent of the United States population, are still underrepresented at Harvard and other selective colleges, they said. The conversation that bubbled up that weekend has continued across campus here and beyond as these professors and others publicly raise painful and complicated questions about race and class and how they play out in elite university admissions, issues that some educators and black admissions officers have privately talked about for some time. There is no consensus on the answers, and since most institutions say they do not look into the origins of their black students, the absence of hard data makes the discussion even more difficult. Editors’ Picks Can a New Line of Work Help Save These Wild Welsh Ponies? Temple Grandin Wants Us to Think Differently About Kids Who Think Differently The Best Brain Foods You’re Not Eating Continue reading the main story ADVERTISEMENT Continue reading the main story Some educators, including the president of Harvard, Lawrence H. Summers, declined to comment on the issue; others are divided. The president of Amherst College, Anthony W. Marx, says that colleges should care about the ethnicity of black students because in overlooking those with predominantly American roots, colleges are missing an ''opportunity to correct a past injustice'' and depriving their campuses ''of voices that are particular to being African-American, with all the historical disadvantages that that entails.'' But others say there is no reason to take the ancestry of black students into account. ''I don't think it should matter for purposes of admissions in higher education,'' said Lee C. Bollinger, the president of Columbia University, who as president of the University of Michigan fiercely defended its use of affirmative action. ''The issue is not origin, but social practices. It matters in American society whether you grow up black or white. It's that differential effect that really is the basis for affirmative action.'' Professors Gates and Guinier cite various sources for their figures about Harvard's black students, including conversations with administrators and students, a recent Harvard undergraduate honors thesis based on extensive student interviews, and the ''Black Guide to Life at Harvard,'' which surveyed 70 percent of the black undergraduates and was published last year by the Harvard Black Students Association. Researchers at Princeton University and the University of Pennsylvania who have been studying the achievement of minority students at 28 selective colleges and universities (including theirs, as well as Yale, Columbia, Duke and the University of California at Berkeley), found that 41 percent of the black students identified themselves as immigrants, as children of immigrants or as mixed race. Douglas S. Massey, a Princeton sociology professor who was one of the researchers, said the black students from immigrant families and the mixed-race students represented a larger proportion of the black students than that in the black population in the United States generally. Andrew A. Beveridge, a sociologist at Queens College, says that among 18- to 25-year-old blacks nationwide, about 9 percent describe themselves as of African or West Indian ancestry. Like the Gates and Guinier numbers, these tallies do not include foreign students. In the 40 or so years since affirmative action began in higher education, the focus has been on increasing the numbers of black students at selective colleges, not on their family background. Professor Massey said that the admissions officials he talked to at these colleges seemed surprised by the findings about the black students. ''They really didn't have a good idea of what they're getting,'' he said. ADVERTISEMENT Continue reading the main story But few black students are surprised. Sheila Adams, a Harvard senior, was born in the South Bronx to a school security officer and a subway token seller, and her family has been in this country for generations. Ms. Adams said there were so few black students like her at Harvard that they had taken to referring to themselves as ''the descendants.'' The subject, however, remains taboo among some college administrators. Anthony Carnevale, a former vice president at the Educational Testing Service, which develops SAT tests, said colleges were happy to the take high-performing black students from immigrant families. ''They've found an easy way out,'' Mr. Carnevale said. ''The truth is, the higher-education community is no longer connected to the civil rights movement. These immigrants represent Horatio Alger, not Brown v. Board of Education and America's race history.'' Almost from its inception, following the civil rights struggles of the 1960's, affirmative action has been attacked and redefined. In its 1978 Bakke decision, the Supreme Court shifted the rationale away from issues of social justice to the educational value of diversity. One black admissions official at a highly selective college said the reluctance of college officials to discuss these issues has helped obscure the scarcity of black students whose families have been in this country for generations. ''If somebody does not start paying attention to those who are not able to make it in, they're going to start drifting farther and farther behind,'' said the official, who declined to be identified because the subject is so charged. ''You've got to say that the long-term blacks were either dealt a crooked hand, or something is innately wrong with them. And I simply won't accept that there is something wrong with them.'' Mary C. Waters, the chairman of the sociology department at Harvard, who has studied West Indian immigrants, says they are initially more successful than many African-Americans for a number of reasons. Since they come from majority-black countries, they are less psychologically handicapped by the stigma of race. In addition, many arrive with higher levels of education and professional experience. And at first, they encounter less discrimination. ADVERTISEMENT Continue reading the main story ''You need a philosophical discussion about what are the aims of affirmative action,'' Professor Waters said. ''If it's about getting black faces at Harvard, then you're doing fine. If it's about making up for 200 to 500 years of slavery in this country and its aftermath, then you're not doing well. And if it's about having diversity that includes African-Americans from the South or from inner-city high schools, then you're not doing well, either.'' Even among black scholars there is disagreement on whether a discussion about the origins of black students is helpful. Orlando Patterson, a Harvard sociologist and West Indian native, said he wished others would ''let sleeping dogs lie.'' ''The doors are wide open -- as wide open as they ever will be -- for native-born black middle-class kids to enter elite colleges,'' he wrote in an e-mail message. There is also wide disagreement about what, if anything, should be done about the underrepresentation of African-American students whose families have been here for generations. Even Professor Gates, who can trace his ancestry back to slaves, and Professor Guinier, whose mother is white and whose father immigrated from Jamaica, emphasize different ideas. ''This is about the kids of recent arrivals beating out the black indigenous middle-class kids,'' said Professor Gates, who plans to assemble a study group on the subject. ''We need to learn what the immigrants' kids have so we can bottle it and sell it, because many members of the African-American community, particularly among the chronically poor, have lost that sense of purpose and values which produced our generation.'' In Professor Guinier's view, there are plenty of other blacks who could also succeed at elite colleges, but the institutions are not doing enough to find them. She said they were overly reliant on measures like SAT scores, which correlate strongly with family wealth and parental education. ''Colleges and universities are defaulting on their obligation to train and educate a representative group of future leaders,'' said Professor Guinier, a Harvard graduate herself who has been studying college admissions practices for more than a decade. ''And they are excluding poor and working-class whites, not just descendants of slaves.'' ADVERTISEMENT Continue reading the main story Harvard admissions officials say that they, too, are concerned about attracting more lower-income students of all races. They plan to spend an additional $300,000 to $375,000 a year to recruit more low-income students and provide more financial aid to these students. ''This increases the chances that we will be able to reach into the communities that have not been reached,'' said William R. Fitzsimmons, dean of admissions and financial aid. While Harvard officials ignore the ethnic distinctions among their black students, Harvard's black undergraduates are developing a body of literature in the form of student research papers. Aisha Haynie, the undergraduate whose senior thesis Professor Guinier cited, said her research was prompted by the reaction from her black classmates when she told them that she was not from the West Indies or Africa, but from the Carolinas. ''They would say, 'No, where are you really from?''' said Ms. Haynie, 26, who earned a master's degree in public policy at Princeton and is now in medical school. Marques J. Redd, a 20-year-old from Macon, Ga., who graduated in June and was one of the editors of Harvard's black student guide, said that Harvard officials had discouraged them from collecting the data on who the black students were. ''But we thought it was one aspect of the black experience at Harvard that should be documented,'' he said. ''The knowledge had power. It was something that needed to be out in the open instead of something that people whispered about.'' A version of this article appears in print on June 24, 2004, Section A, Page 1 of the National editio
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Date: January 24th, 2022 11:44 AM
Author: '"''"'""""
perhaps losing their entire life savings in crypto is distracting them.LOL COINTARDS! FUCK YOU!
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Date: January 24th, 2022 12:07 PM
Author: .,..,.,,.,.,..,.,.,.,..,..,..,.,..,,.,.,.,.
It’s great news, but America has bigger problems at the moment.
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Date: January 24th, 2022 1:28 PM
Author: .,.,.,.,.,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,
highly doubt they will end it definitelyand can't private colleges keep doing race based AA if they want? not covered by 14A
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Date: January 24th, 2022 1:35 PM
Author: ,...,.,.,.;,.;,.;.,..,.;..,.,,.,;,.,.;,.,
SCOTUS will disappoint me like they always do.
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Date: January 24th, 2022 1:55 PM
Author: '"'""'"''"'
What do you do these days, Benzo?
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