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Date: October 16th, 2020 11:47 PM
Author: Hegemon
This is a hilariously dumb take.- Small businesses have been decimated, people are rapidly losing faith in the economy; Trump is better for this than Biden, but neither is great. This predisposes people to violence. - Left has dominant control of media and academia but not enough institutional governmental power to really solidify control on major issues. - Leftism continues to rush headlong away from all normalcy, this will continue to push people to the right. - Politics are now a litmus test for social acceptance, which radicalizes moderates by forcing them to take a side. - There are severe and sincere beliefs on both sides of the political spectrum of structures they face that are "unfair" (electoral college v. popular vote, SCOTUS makeup, immigration and demographic shift). - Neither side has great faith in the legitimacy of government, and average civic investment is remarkably low. - More gun owners than ever. - There is about to be a wildly contested election. - Street violence will only escalate, which radicalizes fence sitters. - Police are being hamstrung while mobs are lionized -- this will alienate everyone who is not a member of the mobs. How the fuck do you not see this as yet to blow? Trump wasn't elected after Bush & Obama because half the country was happy lmao. The backlash against neoliberalism is here from both fringes, and it's growing. This has yet to really kick off.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41129009) |
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Date: October 17th, 2020 5:45 PM
Author: """"""""
I am not a shitlib and you are one of the deluded who has no idea how badly you’ve already lost.Your poast is idiotic because it neglects to mention that the Left has captured ALL vital institutions. Not some, literally all of them. They also have all the capital. It also doesn’t take the controlled opposition framework into account. It is no accident that McCain, Romney, and Jeb Bush were 2008 GOP nominee, 2012 GOP nominee, and presumed front runner 2016 GOP nominee. Trump was the outsider who busted this open, and he is soon to be dealt with, with no outsider ever again permitted to sniff the WH. Trump has literally no allies. The GOP is controlled and does not support him. Dems don’t support him. And unfortunately for him, military leadership doesn’t support him either. He will be forcibly removed if necessary, but the GOP will say how it’s the right thing for the country. Bubba and his band of yokels won’t be able to do shit about it, and if they try, they can enjoy the massive boot that comes crashing down along with the entire media apparatus calling them dangerous traitors. You cannot win a war with no institutions and no money. You will understand this pretty soon, as your delusions get dashed in front of your face
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41132480) |
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Date: October 17th, 2020 6:45 PM
Author: Hegemon
I have much greater respect for institutional power than you seem to think; I also know that most social institutions don't matter when people stop caring what they think, and divestiture in social institutions is skyrocketing -- "expertise" is at a 200y low in social capital, traditional media is dying rapidly, conspiracies are becoming more and more socially accepted. You're simply wrong about capturing all social institutions, especially the one that matters most: government. The right has more foothold there than in most other institutions, particularly in the judiciary and the military -- the military is divided sharply among the officer corps; the NCOs are more like 70% right of center in some variety.You ignore all of the warrants I listed, and it seems also missed the larger point: collapse is coming. What part of my poast made you think that my position is "the election will start boog and Trump or GOP, Inc. will win"?? The point is that after the election, no matter who wins, people will continue to radicalize. This is unsustainable. Your controlled opposition point literally adds emphasis to my "government lacks legitimacy and public support" argument. Meanwhile, you ignore that: - Trump has convinced people that outsiders can win; whether or not they do in the future, it dumps massive belief of feasibility onto every attempt at an outsider campaign. If they don't, government legitimacy diminishes even faster. - Trump, in fact, has plenty of allies -- the GOP is not a monolith. There will be plenty in hard-to-find-and-fire positions that remain when he is gone, whether this election or the next. You're correct, however, that the majority of the party is establishment control. - Right wing politicians have been painted a path to victory: populism. Trump, despite being quite a bad candidate and pretty bad at governing, has been successful in large part because of populist promises. There's not a good answer from either of the major parties to the death of the middle class/wage stagnation/perpetual capital-less serfdom that most Americans face; this is why Sanders et al. have the allure they do -- they are otherwise a pretty fucking incapable and unappealing group. COVID exacerbates this -- all of the protectionism arguments that have always appealed to the working class are now garnering support in ivory towers also thanks to the revealed perils of supply chain weakness. In sum, Trump is the first but he won't be the last. - According to the latest national shitpolls (since deconstructed by borders tp!), more than 40% of the country would vote for Trump today. Do you think that their ressentiment and grievances will disappear? If Trump loses and his followers are subject to national castigation, why would that not simply push half the country further towards radicalization? (You are literally feeding my "personalization of politics radicalizes more" argument.) I'd be open to some warrants here about how institutions shape people and the masses being easily molded, but I don't think that's how it'll go, at this point. You are also wrong about all the capital -- the right, in its motley collective form, has plenty of capital under a big "fuck libs" umbrella. Obviously most of it isn't in the hands of those who are ready to go to war rn, but the billionaires will grow more radical as well when it looks like "family values neoliberalism" has done nothing but lose, and their enemies start to really put the screws to them. What's more, it doesn't take capital to start a civil war -- it takes anger. Plenty of poor people are capable of violence, as you can see from the Summer of George chimpouts. As far as winning, the right will dominate, although the left will rule the cities for a little while first. The only thing I've no clue about is how it'll end up. Bubba and the Yokels -- good band name -- aren't going marching this time, but they'll want to, and soon more will join them. It'll take more rioting, more lack of government legitimacy, more radicalization before it gets there. But it's coming.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41132755) |
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Date: October 17th, 2020 10:10 PM
Author: '"'""'"''"
A lot of people don't understand conservative whites. It isn't the nature of nationalists and other conservatives to spend weeks protesting, rioting, etc. They will quietly stockpile guns (already happened/happening), and then go straight to violence.But here's the reality - right now, Trump is in power. There's a lot of left-wing bullshit, but right-wingers are calm because they feel represented. If the Left shows up, ends up controlling congress and the executive branch, starts packing the court to grab power in the judicial branch, starts adding states, and so on there's going to be outright violence. States may start looking at breaking away. The concept that right-wingers are going to give up like a bunch of strung-out potheads and go home and play PS5 is laughably naive. This isn't how it has worked anywhere. I get that Americans think this country is somehow super unique, but look at how this plays out throughout history. Even in the China, the USSR, Korea, and Vietnam there were massive civil wars first.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41133729) |
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Date: October 18th, 2020 5:34 PM
Author: '"'""'"''"
"Very interested to see how international actors try to manipulate the chaos."By the way, never responded to this excellent question. The reality is that these days politics is international. Right-wingers back each other around the world, and Leftists back each other too. For example, Obama fought against Brexit in the UK even though it isn't the US's choice. Trump is close to Bibi in Israel and actively campaigned for him. You'll see shitlibs backing the Left in the US and rightwingers around the world backing the Right. That said, a few actors (China in particular) are most interested in US power waning overall, no matter who wins. You can expect these actors to push chaos. BLM? Antifa? Right wing militias? I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that all of the above get Chinese cash.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41137298) |
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Date: October 17th, 2020 11:27 PM
Author: Hegemon
Yeah no shit they follow men -- NCOs for the most part. General Officers are largely held in contempt with the rest of brass. If you think those cucks are going to be able lead soldiers on US soil by force of personality and will, you're insane.Your failure to grasp specifics is why your big picture is wrong. Buy ammo -- if you're right and don't need it, you can go to the range in 10 years. You'll want it if you're wrong though.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41134071) |
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Date: October 17th, 2020 11:19 PM
Author: .,..,..,..,.,..,.,..,.,..,.,.,.,.,..,
Dirte is good for at least 40
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41134042) |
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Date: October 17th, 2020 10:04 PM
Author: '"'""'"''"
Totally agree, and it gets even worse over the long-run.Even if the Democrats somehow keep a lid on the violence after this election, they'll be stuck between antifa/blm Marxists that want to destroy the whole system, and Republicans that actually really liked Trump and remember that life was much better under him. All that is left is old Democrats, some corporate shrews that will turn on the Democrats when they realize that "oppression of women in the workplace" isn't real but now they fear getting raped/robbed in broad daylight now that their police is defunded. These women really are bird-brains that are easy to manipulate with feel-good platitudes ("that's not who we are" "we stand with black lives") but when they're actually scared and when HR starts telling them they need fewer whites/Asians so they're fired and it is a tough economy they're going to get a reality check. So then you'll get two ultra-polarized sides in a no-holds barred national conflict. My hope is that we'll divide the country into two nations but I think that's an extremely optimistic result. tl;dr - it is going to get ugly.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41133707) |
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Date: October 17th, 2020 10:40 PM
Author: '"'""'"''"
Women are fashion-followers. It is their nature. To them, blm, ruthkanda, all of the assorted bullshit you see now is "fashionable." They see hollywood celebs they follow on social media pumping their fists in the air so they do the same. There is nothing real there for them. But women care about fashion when they can afford to. Women living in poverty and have to worry about survival have a very different nature. Go talk to some whores from the ghetto or whatever. They don't give a fuck about fashion. They want to build a decent QOL for themselves and are willing to do ANYTHING to do it. People like to pretend like in the 1930s they would never support the Nazis. But they forget that the 1930s saw a Germany that was truly desperate. Most people were hungry and impoverished with no real hope for the future. That's where we're headed.Agreed on the division issue. But theoretically, population transfers can happen.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41133879)
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Date: October 17th, 2020 11:05 PM
Author: borders
Yeah - you could say the left has won the guerilla information battle, but not the warIt really is like the degradation of politics of the late Roman Republic - where there was a time where people really did trust and truly believe in these institutions - then became fully weaponized against political enemies. Maybe once upon a time if you were convicted in the forum - everyone believed you were guilty of some wrong. By 50s BC - if you're convicted it was more, welp - he was on the losing side of some war...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41133990) |
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Date: October 17th, 2020 11:18 PM
Author: borders
No - I'm not deny the cultural dominance of the left - I'm saying the current track seems unsustainable, and once we reach some tipping point w/ entropy , chaos / violence, I don't think it's necessarily some leftist victoryDon't underestimate the reactionary potential if things get bad, or the potential for people to recognize the enemy. The cultural dominance isn't some permanently ceded ground, it's the reason for why things are headed for a collision. If it were an inevitable victory - it would easily be steered away from any resistance whatsoever https://imgur.com/a/F9MfY04
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41134036)
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Date: October 17th, 2020 11:22 PM
Author: borders
https://imgur.com/a/F9MfY04"The demos has always been problematic for liberalism, and indeed the electoral franchise was restricted for so long precisely because of uncertainty over where genuine ‘democracy’ might lead. To their great relief, the great ‘democratising’ conservative leaders of the late 19th. century, like Bismarck and Salisbury, saw that extending the franchise did not inevitably lead to leftism and a wholesale attack on privilege, but that there was a significant conservative ballast even amongst those apparently least privileged. In the social and political turmoils in the aftermath of the First World War and the Russian Revolution this conservative ballast not only resisted socialism, it also leant support to Fascism, to the stupefied chagrin of the Frankfurt School and other Marxists. The problem of ‘deconstructing’ this conservatism inherent in the demos became the central project of the intellectual left throughout the 20th century."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41134052) |
Date: October 16th, 2020 10:20 PM
Author: ,,,....,,,,,,,;';',,,,,,.,.,,;;.,,,
Friendly Neighborhood Russian Arms Dealer is offering franchises.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41128596) |
Date: October 17th, 2020 6:24 PM
Author: .,.,;,.,..,.,,,,:,,:,..,:::,.,:,.,.:...:.,:.::,.
South already lost again
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41132681) |
Date: October 17th, 2020 10:16 PM
Author: Daytona Beach 1986
Civil wars happen over contested control of state violence.There is no contest here. Tards scuffle, but the elite is not remotely challenged
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41133758) |
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