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Date: August 24th, 2020 9:54 AM
Author: ....,,,.,............,,,,,.,,..,
Most likely he was an extraterrestrial.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40801919) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 10:15 AM
Author: Raping Terry Gross
Can I bother you for a link there, hoss?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802009) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 4:41 PM
Author: ~.~) (⊙. ͡⊙)
www.google.com
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40803875) |
Date: August 24th, 2020 10:21 AM
Author: ....,.,.,.,;,.,;,,,,,,,,,;,;:.:.,,,.
immediately thereafter, his disciples formed a conspiracy: let's all pretend he resurrected and we personally witnessed it. We stand to gain nothing from this, but should be fun.under pain of torture and death, they all stuck to this conspiracy, because hey why not
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802026) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 10:25 AM
Author: Raping Terry Gross
They stood as much to gain from it as some Mormons looking into a hat and seeing prophecy.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802047) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 10:37 AM
Author: ....,.,.,.,;,.,;,,,,,,,,,;,;:.:.,,,.
multiple wives and justification for trek to start a new political entity that they would control?Gospel might be bullshit but it justified no earthly riches or pleasure for its early adherents. Stronger critique might be that these people had shit lives and took solace that they were purchasing their way into heavenly glory or something. In the meantime they had to give all their stuff to the poor, travel around living on alms and face down certain torture and death
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802102) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 10:45 AM
Author: ....,.,.,.,;,.,;,,,,,,,,,;,;:.:.,,,.
the sociological explanation is no substitute for faith, but faith is not arational, so it's something."People then were just dumber and didn't really understand the difference between allegory and fact" is an interesting claim, but would need a lot of evidentiary support that I don't think you could marshal, even if youre right. We just dont have the access I also think attempts to excise the resurrection out in order to strengthen christianity are silly. the gospels were entirely death-resurrection stories, and if anything the ministry/biography stuff developed with time and obvious less importance. The ONLY thing the early church wanted you to know was death-resurrection
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802135) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 10:57 AM
Author: pre-hegelian
I am happy to have faith, I can have faith in a spiritual fact established through revelation to me, but I can’t have faith in a physical fact with a sociologically origin. Reading Paul is a good way to understand the spiritual fact of the resurrection, but there is nothing I could (realistically find and) read that would convince me of the physical fact. It is possible the spiritual fact could overcome my disbelief in the physical fact, but the nature of that knowledge claim becomes so distorted that it’s not a claim to knowledge of an historical event, it’s a claim that I care more about the spiritual fact than the physical one. If I read Paul and I believe in the bodily resurrection, what I believe is that someone can write persuasively enough to convince me to hold a mental state in which a god man was resurrected from the dead. That I have this mental state, that I even hold it fervently, is no evidence that the means by which Paul nspired that thought in my mind is the truth of the underlying physical claim. It’s evidence of a capacity of the mind, and perhaps a capacity of the mind to understand a truth about itself. Tolkien persuasively inspires mental states the underlying reality of which we do not infer from their existence in our minds, but those mental states do tell us something about ourselves.I’ll think more about your second point, but I think the story of Elija and supernaturalism generally in the OT gives us some understanding of the way the people of that time wrote and thought about irl events, ie they seem to use allegory to describe the spiritual significance of events that likely contained far less supernaturalism than their later accounts suggest. What does it mean to say Jesus is Christ and that he was raised from the dead? It means he was such an embodiment of the Logos that he survived his physical death and now lives in our hearts and is made manifest in the material world to such an extent that it makes sense to say given the horrendous linguistic tools we have available to understand the mind/body problem, or the subject/object distinction, that Christ was resurrected. But that claim is a claim to a transcendent truth, not a physical one. And the reason we say that about Christ and not our grandma is because Christ was a world historic figure who did an heroic thing while a group of highly spiritual people with a proclivity for supernaturalism and story telling watched and were profoundly moved, and that world historic thing just so happened to be an heroic act so precisely in line with the deepest aspect of our human will that we can tell the story and be shaken to our absolute core when we see our inner life so perfectly reflected externally.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802201) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 12:26 PM
Author: TS London Richards (𓀐𓂺👩🏻🎤)
Are you happy with yourself here?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802624) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 12:31 PM
Author: pre-hegelian
i think this is an honest take
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802650) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 12:49 PM
Author: '"'""'"''"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802775) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 12:54 PM
Author: Mike Fart
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802801) |
Date: August 24th, 2020 10:26 AM
Author: Randy Jackson
He was buried in a cave
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802050) |
Date: August 24th, 2020 10:28 AM
Author: .,.,..,,.,.,,,....,,,.,.,.,...,.,,
He never existed In the first place
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802060) |
Date: August 24th, 2020 10:37 AM
Author: Live Free or Die.
pretty disappointing to read this from someone arguing over the role of the pope or the classification of sins.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802100) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 10:43 AM
Author: pre-hegelian
Maybe you are intellectually honest in your private time. I have no problem respecting the people on this website enough to express doubts here. I don’t say this shit to almost anyone irl, especially not those in my congregation. Though I do tell them Paul is a Fraud.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802125) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 12:27 PM
Author: TS London Richards (𓀐𓂺👩🏻🎤)
Without Paul there is nothing, lol
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802628) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 12:40 PM
Author: Live Free or Die.
"indeed i find much of Paul deleterious to the gospel message."-Everyone who is arrogant in heart is an abomination to the Lord; be assured, he will not go unpunished. -Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” -“Scoffer” is the name of the arrogant, haughty man who acts with arrogant pride. -Love [Charity] is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant -And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, ***pride***, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802701)
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Date: August 24th, 2020 12:44 PM
Author: Live Free or Die.
1800 of tradition gave you a bible, no significant group, not even the radical protestants tried to excise Paul, but you--have special insight. your insight is not special or important. it is a hindrance.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802728) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 12:47 PM
Author: pre-hegelian
lol gee thanks dad definitely not gonna call you much when you're older though cause you're kinda a prick lmao
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802756) |
Date: August 24th, 2020 10:45 AM
Author: BOOMER with a computer
that chick who anointed him? That special solution prevented him from rotting ...allowed resurrection
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802134) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 10:46 AM
Author: pre-hegelian
Ancient technology / naturalistic theories are worse than sociological ones imo
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802140) |
Date: August 24th, 2020 12:19 PM
Author: potluck
in what sense was he the incarnation of the logos? (I’m curious both what you think logos is in the world of NT theology and what you think about Jesus of Nazereth)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802593) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 12:21 PM
Author: pre-hegelian
i don't have any major problems with doctrine w/r/t the incarnation
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802600) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 12:53 PM
Author: potluck
if you reject the revelatory value of the canon how do you even get to the crucifixion...?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802797) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 12:54 PM
Author: pre-hegelian
the crucifixion isn't revelatory as a corroborated historical event
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802803) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 12:56 PM
Author: potluck
corroborated by who? Josephus? if Josephus said Jesus was raised but he was a fraud raised by satan would the resurrection narratives regain their revelatory value?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802814) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 12:41 PM
Author: Mike Fart
do you have an answer and are just picking his brain or are you genuinely asking?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802709) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 12:44 PM
Author: potluck
I don’t start with his minimalist premises so I don’t have the same set of problems he does (I have my own)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802730) |
Date: August 24th, 2020 12:21 PM
Author: Upset Jew
Trying to cross the Rio Grande
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40802602) |
Date: August 24th, 2020 1:54 PM
Author: .,.,..,,.,.,,,....,,,.,.,.,...,.,,
ITT: cattle goyim feverishly debating details of a make believe story meant to lull said goyim into acceptance of their role as cattle in the mystical, fact-free hope to be rewarded in the afterlife
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40803183) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 4:56 PM
Author: .,.,..,,.,.,,,....,,,.,.,.,...,.,,
this response is gibberish to me, sorry. explain the concepts more simply and i'm happy to listen.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40803923) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 4:57 PM
Author: pre-hegelian
Christianity has theoretical virtues that give reason to believe its not simply an instrument of control
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40803933) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 5:00 PM
Author: .,.,..,,.,.,,,....,,,.,.,.,...,.,,
ok, i agree with that, but how does it make it metaphysically true? it just makes it beneficial to society. the virtues it promotes led to western civilization and then technological industrial civilization
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40803949) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 5:07 PM
Author: pre-hegelian
By theoretical virtues I meant there are aspects of the theory that have properties we typically associate with theories that are true, like simplicity, explanatory power, and correspondence with observation. It helps us understand the world, and that’s a mark of truth.Another theoretical virtue is benefit to society, because we would expect a metaphysical theory of God or the universe or whatever to lead to good outcomes. To the extent you think western civ and western tech are better than societies and technologies coming from other religions, Christianity might be more true. There’s also the lived experience of Christians who, as they mature in faith, offer reports of increased community, empathy, peace, etc, which also speaks to truth as a function of efficacy.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40803980) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 5:09 PM
Author: .,.,..,,.,.,,,....,,,.,.,.,...,.,,
re: your first paragraph there are plenty of simple lies, that part seems silly. what does christianity explain about the world to you or helps you "observe" it better? as an outsider it's gibberish.second paragraph i agree with & that's why i like and respect christianity as an outsider third paragraph, if you believe that, you would have greater appreciation for mormonism, which you don't seem to have. they raise big and societally healthy families, much more so than other denominations of christianity currently. of course, theologically, it seems like a complete load of shit
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40803987) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 5:16 PM
Author: .,.,..,,.,.,,,....,,,.,.,.,...,.,,
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40804028) |
Date: August 24th, 2020 4:48 PM
Author: ~.~) (⊙. ͡⊙)
maybe when The Mary's went to help him while he was on the cross, they gave him a concoction of herbs and frankincense and whatnot, that put him in an induced coma, and when they took him down he was actually still alive. Then later, in the cave, they administered more herbs and myrrh and whatnot till be woke up, alive to tell the tale. I think this explanation is more plausible, but the written story is, of course, much richer.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40803891) |
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Date: August 24th, 2020 4:56 PM
Author: pre-hegelian
thats an option
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4609551&forum_id=2#40803922) |
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